sc3
09-24 01:20 AM
sorry man, my hinglish is vrey vrey vrey poor. so plaese bear wtih me.
Lets not argue, lets discuss, maybe I could agree with your views. So heer it goes, how is quota limits fair to anybody? I thought we are all equals, unless you think you are challenged in anyways - physically or otherwise, in that case I agree, you are 100% right, there must be a special quota for you. For all others who consider themselves to be equal shareholders to the free society, isn't preferential treatment for any set of people "wrong" and "unfair"? Just asking? I mean are we not equals, if yes, then there should be no quota for any country, if no and you think you are superior, which maybe true, then I should get preferential treatment, if no, and you think you are inferior or otherwise challenged in anyways, well, in that case yes, you sure should be treat better than others.... you know....
So what do you think you are - equal? inferior? or superior? I mean it has go to be one of those, right?
Ok, I will give you a weak analogy. See how Indian IPOs distribute shares when it is oversubscribed. The same thing goes here. Replace money by applicants and replace investors by countries, and you will get a sense as to why per country quota is implemented. I agree it is hard to digest the per country quota, but it is what it is. It is affirmative action if you will. It requires equality, but gives some buffer to people not properly represented (or run the risk of being overwhelmed by any single country).
Lets not argue, lets discuss, maybe I could agree with your views. So heer it goes, how is quota limits fair to anybody? I thought we are all equals, unless you think you are challenged in anyways - physically or otherwise, in that case I agree, you are 100% right, there must be a special quota for you. For all others who consider themselves to be equal shareholders to the free society, isn't preferential treatment for any set of people "wrong" and "unfair"? Just asking? I mean are we not equals, if yes, then there should be no quota for any country, if no and you think you are superior, which maybe true, then I should get preferential treatment, if no, and you think you are inferior or otherwise challenged in anyways, well, in that case yes, you sure should be treat better than others.... you know....
So what do you think you are - equal? inferior? or superior? I mean it has go to be one of those, right?
Ok, I will give you a weak analogy. See how Indian IPOs distribute shares when it is oversubscribed. The same thing goes here. Replace money by applicants and replace investors by countries, and you will get a sense as to why per country quota is implemented. I agree it is hard to digest the per country quota, but it is what it is. It is affirmative action if you will. It requires equality, but gives some buffer to people not properly represented (or run the risk of being overwhelmed by any single country).
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sanagani
03-30 03:21 PM
soft Lud on mine and my dependant on 2/10/09 and there was second soft LUD on mine 2/27/09, till now no RFE, what does it mean, does it mean everything is fine and they do not need from our end.
senthil1
02-07 01:56 PM
It is just speculation that it will take 10 years or 15 years. Actually past 3 years atleast 50% h1 were used by TCS,WIPRO and similar companies. So those who are processing gc is less. But it may take some time to clear current backlog as we had 195k H1 cap till 2003. If 65k h1 cap is there then it will be 3 year waiting period for EB2 and 4 to 5 year for Eb3. People will speculate based on number of H1s. But their calculation is not including the number of people who are giving up and also many people are going back. But if they increase H1 then the situation may become worse. I think one time releif will be enough to resolve the issue for
next 5 years. But Skil bill is asking too much(May be for permanent resolution of
gc issue) and opposition is more as anti immigrants are quoting the numbers. Remember in 2000 the relief of recapturing previous few years did not attract
large opposition and passed easily. Simlarly if H1 increase also limited for 2 or 3 years that can be passed easily as we can convince Senators like Sessions.
But if we keep on asking so many numbers of H1 and Gc and also exemptions
for Master degree then we have to wait for CIR as this will have lesser impact
in numbers compared to illegal immigrants.
I wonder why EB 3 ROW is stuck at Aug 02. I guess it should move faster.
next 5 years. But Skil bill is asking too much(May be for permanent resolution of
gc issue) and opposition is more as anti immigrants are quoting the numbers. Remember in 2000 the relief of recapturing previous few years did not attract
large opposition and passed easily. Simlarly if H1 increase also limited for 2 or 3 years that can be passed easily as we can convince Senators like Sessions.
But if we keep on asking so many numbers of H1 and Gc and also exemptions
for Master degree then we have to wait for CIR as this will have lesser impact
in numbers compared to illegal immigrants.
I wonder why EB 3 ROW is stuck at Aug 02. I guess it should move faster.
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mhathi
06-05 06:20 PM
Called all of the representatives on the list and left voicemails for legal reps. I have voted on the poll.
mhathi.
mhathi.
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vasa
07-13 02:57 PM
Good Luck Guys...
Thank you for your efforts for the good of the entire community.
Thank you for your efforts for the good of the entire community.
sdrblr
09-15 01:05 PM
I sent it from my work email not yahoo or hotmail.
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sc3
08-11 02:35 PM
Sorry for ignorance, but what would you fetch from these voting results? There were already more than 100's threads before and as of now, if I am correct never seen any estimate data from any of us.
Its just sheer waste of time in calculating estimates. USCIS has its own rules and no one can predict them.
Just a thought. Please post the estimate data if you ever get, something?
Best of luck.
I guess it has less to do with estimates, and more about looking at the landscape. If there are significant portion of responses are above your date, one might, for example, choose to initiate porting/reclassification process if one qualifies for it.
Good thread. I am wondering the reasons for lack of response between Jan and March of 2002.
Its just sheer waste of time in calculating estimates. USCIS has its own rules and no one can predict them.
Just a thought. Please post the estimate data if you ever get, something?
Best of luck.
I guess it has less to do with estimates, and more about looking at the landscape. If there are significant portion of responses are above your date, one might, for example, choose to initiate porting/reclassification process if one qualifies for it.
Good thread. I am wondering the reasons for lack of response between Jan and March of 2002.
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needhelp!
03-13 11:43 AM
This will help people like me who are unable to be part of any state chapter to know what is happening at IV. Keep our sprits high.
Thank you
You can join one of the existing state chapters for now.
For those who are not able to put their faith in the efforts of the IV Core, too bad you didn't volunteer and participate in lobby day last September.
If you had been there, you would not suspect the motives or say things like they are taking credit for good news etc.. It is very disappointing to hear that.
I think it is reasonable that we won't be getting day-to-day updates and details on the background efforts. From my side, I have enough trust in the organization that when IV asks for the participation of the community, I will support it whole-heartedly.
Thank you
You can join one of the existing state chapters for now.
For those who are not able to put their faith in the efforts of the IV Core, too bad you didn't volunteer and participate in lobby day last September.
If you had been there, you would not suspect the motives or say things like they are taking credit for good news etc.. It is very disappointing to hear that.
I think it is reasonable that we won't be getting day-to-day updates and details on the background efforts. From my side, I have enough trust in the organization that when IV asks for the participation of the community, I will support it whole-heartedly.
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sundarpn
01-02 12:51 AM
Please keep this thread updated. And post the details of the delay.
I suppose this affects even h1b revalidation stamping?
I suppose this affects even h1b revalidation stamping?
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desi3933
03-11 11:43 AM
The best thing you can do to me is 'Ignore me', I promise you I will ignore you. I have never ever insulted or used bad words for anybody ever on a Cyber forum, may be just b'cause I've never encountered a person like you.
But if you insist on insulting somebody you are going to get it back....
>> I have never ever insulted or used bad words for anybody ever on a Cyber forum, may be just b'cause I've never encountered a person like you.
IMHO, that was uncalled for.
Peace!
But if you insist on insulting somebody you are going to get it back....
>> I have never ever insulted or used bad words for anybody ever on a Cyber forum, may be just b'cause I've never encountered a person like you.
IMHO, that was uncalled for.
Peace!
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sorcerer666
04-05 04:27 PM
@GCmuddu_H1BVaddu why is there such a hatred in ur mind against me being not an Indian
i was just asking a simple help, and all you have to say is to find out about my nationality, never mind i never asked help from your kind anyways.
@krishmunn thanks for your analysis too , i had sent him a bunch of emails about 10 of them and he never responded to them, when i called him about why is he not replying to my emails he said i cannot have any email conversation with you, it did not strike me then why ? but after talking to all the guys here i understand why he said so, i do not know if this would be enough . but i am just preparing my packet to send to DOL
@PrinceVA i really appreciate your help and your kindness at least someone in the fraternity doesn't believe in finding the nationality before helping. Well i really appreciate your concern and i wish that you were a part of my employers team, but i have my tickets booked and bags packed . I would now empower people from all over the world to come a little more prepared on H1B to US. I admit to being dumb before landing here but i have gotten my much important experience which i will pass on through fake busting.
@apaul thanks for your analysis paul it helps me understading the situation even more.
to all the others, i will be going home soon and i shall disclose the name of employer here once i get an ack from the DOL. I appreciate everyone here and their help.
Thanks to all those who have given me intelligent advise
Good luck mate!! Sorry that you had to learn this the hard way!! Dont worry about haters like GCmuddu_H1BVaddu ,they won't help their own mothers if there wasn't a return for them! Maybe part of him is envious of you that you can go home and he/she can't since they already spent majority of their lives in the GC rut.
Again good luck mate! and let us know what happened
i was just asking a simple help, and all you have to say is to find out about my nationality, never mind i never asked help from your kind anyways.
@krishmunn thanks for your analysis too , i had sent him a bunch of emails about 10 of them and he never responded to them, when i called him about why is he not replying to my emails he said i cannot have any email conversation with you, it did not strike me then why ? but after talking to all the guys here i understand why he said so, i do not know if this would be enough . but i am just preparing my packet to send to DOL
@PrinceVA i really appreciate your help and your kindness at least someone in the fraternity doesn't believe in finding the nationality before helping. Well i really appreciate your concern and i wish that you were a part of my employers team, but i have my tickets booked and bags packed . I would now empower people from all over the world to come a little more prepared on H1B to US. I admit to being dumb before landing here but i have gotten my much important experience which i will pass on through fake busting.
@apaul thanks for your analysis paul it helps me understading the situation even more.
to all the others, i will be going home soon and i shall disclose the name of employer here once i get an ack from the DOL. I appreciate everyone here and their help.
Thanks to all those who have given me intelligent advise
Good luck mate!! Sorry that you had to learn this the hard way!! Dont worry about haters like GCmuddu_H1BVaddu ,they won't help their own mothers if there wasn't a return for them! Maybe part of him is envious of you that you can go home and he/she can't since they already spent majority of their lives in the GC rut.
Again good luck mate! and let us know what happened
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immi_twinges
07-17 01:41 PM
Guys , I think this issue has been discussed lot of times.
1) USCIS do not allot immigrant visas, It is alloted by DOS.
2) DOS needs a fix in the current EB laws to capture unused visa.
3) I am not sure if we can push any change in law, given the current Iraq war quagmire.
But I hope they speed up the overall application processing times, with all the increased Fee money they will get from July 30th (by investing money on IT).
With the increased fees...Are they ready to promise us they will decreasing the processing times... and not waste visa numbers...
:mad:
1) USCIS do not allot immigrant visas, It is alloted by DOS.
2) DOS needs a fix in the current EB laws to capture unused visa.
3) I am not sure if we can push any change in law, given the current Iraq war quagmire.
But I hope they speed up the overall application processing times, with all the increased Fee money they will get from July 30th (by investing money on IT).
With the increased fees...Are they ready to promise us they will decreasing the processing times... and not waste visa numbers...
:mad:
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GCwaitforever
07-20 09:35 AM
While I was waiting for GC, I finished MBA last year. I have a Masters degree in Comp. Sc. also. It has been 4 1/2 years with no clear indication regarding the LC alone. Hats off to the screwed up concept of BEC. If my LC is not processed in time, I might leave next year.
I am thinking of doing a part time job on H-1B also. If that pans out well, atleast I will forget the pain of GC for a while.
I am thinking of doing a part time job on H-1B also. If that pans out well, atleast I will forget the pain of GC for a while.
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21stIcon
10-10 03:48 PM
staying debt free, buying physical gold,
The cheap money from Japan is gone and will never come again. Call rates for banks have risen to 20% (bank to bank lending).
Already there are fissures in European Union in handling the crisis.
The situation is out of reach for USA and Dollar value may crash. The recent runup in dollar is due to Euro crashing. It is a temporary phenomenon.
sri
Equity is down 20% to 30% in developing world and 50 to 70% down in emerging world over 7 trading days, but gold/silver/platinum is just hanging on there, so get out of commodities which would not help you at all, best option is stay in long term USA bonds for security or buy south east Asia bonds which would be right choice for long term
70% of precious metals are owned by banks and government which do not have liquidity to buy, even current price supportd is provided by China/Taiwan/Arab sovereign funds. those govts might get out of gold any time then price will drop to 2005 range.
Do not under estimate USA which is global economic engine,It will recover and this is not new to this country, they have done it and they may do it again at some point in future
Take it easy by diversifying your portfolio....
Best option stay in cash until 2010 with FDIC security....
The cheap money from Japan is gone and will never come again. Call rates for banks have risen to 20% (bank to bank lending).
Already there are fissures in European Union in handling the crisis.
The situation is out of reach for USA and Dollar value may crash. The recent runup in dollar is due to Euro crashing. It is a temporary phenomenon.
sri
Equity is down 20% to 30% in developing world and 50 to 70% down in emerging world over 7 trading days, but gold/silver/platinum is just hanging on there, so get out of commodities which would not help you at all, best option is stay in long term USA bonds for security or buy south east Asia bonds which would be right choice for long term
70% of precious metals are owned by banks and government which do not have liquidity to buy, even current price supportd is provided by China/Taiwan/Arab sovereign funds. those govts might get out of gold any time then price will drop to 2005 range.
Do not under estimate USA which is global economic engine,It will recover and this is not new to this country, they have done it and they may do it again at some point in future
Take it easy by diversifying your portfolio....
Best option stay in cash until 2010 with FDIC security....
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SGP
03-31 05:05 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$GOOD MORNING GC$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Deadline = April 30th, 2011
Goal = 5000 votes on survey (see I-485 filing w/o current PD thread) and momentum to continue with this campaign.The survey is a platform to gather and push for launching action items. Based on response by 04/30/2011 - IV will decide whether to even proceed with initiative or not.
Actions - 1) Vote on survey.
2)Email ivcoordinator@gmail.com with PD, ph#,email & subject "I485 filing impacted�,
3)Print/Circulate Fliers and spread FB, wiki link (see "support thread")
Dear IV Members,
If you believe that your success depends on your immigration process - whether it's the ability to file I-485 earlier or to get green-card and citizenship sooner or whether it's the ability of your spouse to work - then you have to believe that your success somehow depends on the success of Immigration voice and these 170 volunteers in DC next week.
As you may know, we are just one more week away from hosting Advocacy day in Washington DC where about 170 members of Immigration Voice will conduct nearly 250 meetings with offices of Senators and Congressmen. Such events cost money. If we have enough contributions, we can spend as per our budget of nearly $ 50,000. If not, we will have to cut back on the event spending and reduce the magnitude and size of the event.
If you are not coming to DC next week, please do your part and contribute funds to Immigration Voice. It not only finances the event properly, it instills pride and confidence in the members who will be there in DC that there are thousands of willing supporters behind them who could not be there physically but are 100% with them in their determination and resolve.
For background click here -> Announcement about April 2011 Advocacy Days (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1901186-action-item-advocacy-days-in-washington-dc-in-april-2011-a.html#post2301599)
Contribute to Advocacy Event on the Capitol Hill (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44#onetimepaypal) (All one-time contributions will go towards organizing the Advocacy Days event)
Deadline = April 30th, 2011
Goal = 5000 votes on survey (see I-485 filing w/o current PD thread) and momentum to continue with this campaign.The survey is a platform to gather and push for launching action items. Based on response by 04/30/2011 - IV will decide whether to even proceed with initiative or not.
Actions - 1) Vote on survey.
2)Email ivcoordinator@gmail.com with PD, ph#,email & subject "I485 filing impacted�,
3)Print/Circulate Fliers and spread FB, wiki link (see "support thread")
Dear IV Members,
If you believe that your success depends on your immigration process - whether it's the ability to file I-485 earlier or to get green-card and citizenship sooner or whether it's the ability of your spouse to work - then you have to believe that your success somehow depends on the success of Immigration voice and these 170 volunteers in DC next week.
As you may know, we are just one more week away from hosting Advocacy day in Washington DC where about 170 members of Immigration Voice will conduct nearly 250 meetings with offices of Senators and Congressmen. Such events cost money. If we have enough contributions, we can spend as per our budget of nearly $ 50,000. If not, we will have to cut back on the event spending and reduce the magnitude and size of the event.
If you are not coming to DC next week, please do your part and contribute funds to Immigration Voice. It not only finances the event properly, it instills pride and confidence in the members who will be there in DC that there are thousands of willing supporters behind them who could not be there physically but are 100% with them in their determination and resolve.
For background click here -> Announcement about April 2011 Advocacy Days (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum85-action-items-for-everyone/1901186-action-item-advocacy-days-in-washington-dc-in-april-2011-a.html#post2301599)
Contribute to Advocacy Event on the Capitol Hill (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=44#onetimepaypal) (All one-time contributions will go towards organizing the Advocacy Days event)
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ganguteli
04-28 09:56 AM
I dont generalize the L1 abuse. This is how it works L1 is meant for company transfer and not to work on consulting positions across United states. Please read the law completely before you know what you are talking about. These L1 people come through intra company transfer and work on $10/ hr jobs undermining the folks on H1-b and L1's too. I dont know about your case and i dont want to comment on it too but do see my point. Please just dont oppose because you have to.
L1's working for consulting should be stopped , it should be meant as intra company transfer for learning and implementation of company projects and not to work at client sites. Thats the law my friend.
Fake profile alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! More reds to you
Green Card Category
EB3
Nationality
India
Country of Chargeability
India
Service Center
Nebraska
Labor Type
Regular
Perm Center
Others
Labor Approval Date
01/12/2004
I140-I485 Concurrent Filing
Yes
I140 Mailed Date
01/12/2004
I140 Filing Type
Regular
I140 USCIS Rcvd Date
01/12/2004
I140 Rcpt Notice Date
01/12/2004
I140 RFE Date
01/12/2004
I140 Approval Date
01/12/2004
July 2007 Filer
No
Adjustment of Status Application Type
Adjustment of Status (I-485)
I485 Mailed Date
01/12/2004
I485 USCIS Rcvd Date
01/12/2004
I485 Rcpt Notice Date
01/12/2004
Finger Print Notice Date
01/12/2004
I485 RFE Notice Date
01/12/2004
Application Status
Approved
I485 Approval Date
01/12/2004
EAD Mailed Date
01/12/2004
EAD RFE Date
01/12/2004
EAD Approval Date
01/12/2004
AP Mailed Date
01/12/2004
AP RFE Date
01/12/2004
AP Approval Date
01/12/2004
L1's working for consulting should be stopped , it should be meant as intra company transfer for learning and implementation of company projects and not to work at client sites. Thats the law my friend.
Fake profile alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! More reds to you
Green Card Category
EB3
Nationality
India
Country of Chargeability
India
Service Center
Nebraska
Labor Type
Regular
Perm Center
Others
Labor Approval Date
01/12/2004
I140-I485 Concurrent Filing
Yes
I140 Mailed Date
01/12/2004
I140 Filing Type
Regular
I140 USCIS Rcvd Date
01/12/2004
I140 Rcpt Notice Date
01/12/2004
I140 RFE Date
01/12/2004
I140 Approval Date
01/12/2004
July 2007 Filer
No
Adjustment of Status Application Type
Adjustment of Status (I-485)
I485 Mailed Date
01/12/2004
I485 USCIS Rcvd Date
01/12/2004
I485 Rcpt Notice Date
01/12/2004
Finger Print Notice Date
01/12/2004
I485 RFE Notice Date
01/12/2004
Application Status
Approved
I485 Approval Date
01/12/2004
EAD Mailed Date
01/12/2004
EAD RFE Date
01/12/2004
EAD Approval Date
01/12/2004
AP Mailed Date
01/12/2004
AP RFE Date
01/12/2004
AP Approval Date
01/12/2004
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ash0210
03-09 01:45 PM
I asked one of my friend (who is from retrogresed country) whether he is aware of IV, a group of "like-minded" members working on immigration retrogression related relief?
He quipped me back saying that he is aware of IV and IV is NOT "like-minded" group but "Money-minded" group of people, keeping on asking money all the time....Definately, its sending wrong signal...
He quipped me back saying that he is aware of IV and IV is NOT "like-minded" group but "Money-minded" group of people, keeping on asking money all the time....Definately, its sending wrong signal...
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Leo07
11-18 05:03 PM
Phani, Thanks for sharing! Th eonly reason for spending 1000 bucks is for such scenarios.
If the insurance doesn't cover these cases then Atlas America is of no use.
Thanks again!
Took Atlas America due to their "acute onset of pre-existing clause". Mom got pneumonia 3 weeks after coming to US in April last year. They declined to cover hospital bills saying it is a pre-existing condition. Doctor's opinion was she acquired it due to cold weather and highly improbable for someone to have it not get sick for 3-4weeks. Insurance did not care. Still paying the bills.
If the insurance doesn't cover these cases then Atlas America is of no use.
Thanks again!
Took Atlas America due to their "acute onset of pre-existing clause". Mom got pneumonia 3 weeks after coming to US in April last year. They declined to cover hospital bills saying it is a pre-existing condition. Doctor's opinion was she acquired it due to cold weather and highly improbable for someone to have it not get sick for 3-4weeks. Insurance did not care. Still paying the bills.
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GCAmigo
02-05 05:48 PM
bottom line is any relief to anyone will be a BIG achievement.. thanks logiclife for a CLEAR statement..
m306m
12-13 03:44 PM
I have contributed $200 to the Omnibus fund drive and intend to contribute a lot more in the coming months. However, I would not have been a member of IV if this were a paid site.
I prefer that the contributions are voluntary and I am an example of someone who joined IV as a member and then CHOOSE to contribute to the cause. If IV had asked me to become a member by paying $200, I certainly would not have joined.
I vote to keep the site free and allow free flow of information. By making this a paid site we hurt the cause that IV is fighting for and we hurt potential members who would contribute.
I want to ask members who have contributed $500 - $1000, if this site asked that much for you to join would you have joined? If so would you continue to contribute after paying this much money? After paying money to a pay site there is a sense of entitlement that people feel. They feel that they have already paid their due and they will not contribute additional funds thinking that they have already paid once when choosing to be a member.
I urge the administrators and core member to please keep this site voluntary and free.
I prefer that the contributions are voluntary and I am an example of someone who joined IV as a member and then CHOOSE to contribute to the cause. If IV had asked me to become a member by paying $200, I certainly would not have joined.
I vote to keep the site free and allow free flow of information. By making this a paid site we hurt the cause that IV is fighting for and we hurt potential members who would contribute.
I want to ask members who have contributed $500 - $1000, if this site asked that much for you to join would you have joined? If so would you continue to contribute after paying this much money? After paying money to a pay site there is a sense of entitlement that people feel. They feel that they have already paid their due and they will not contribute additional funds thinking that they have already paid once when choosing to be a member.
I urge the administrators and core member to please keep this site voluntary and free.
hpandey
06-12 10:25 AM
If I were in your place, I would not spend money to hire my own attorney- not yet. I would let the insurance attorney handle the initial few months, and only after things start happening, I'd think about paying an attorney myself. Meanwhile, use this interim period to look for a very good attorney- meet with a couple of them and decide which one would you choose, if you had to. Personal liability defense is handled best by firms specialized in tort defense (eg. who defend medical malpractise suits), and NOT by trial lawyers who are mostly experienced with plaintiff's cases.
Another thing, since YOU were the one who seems to have experienced most injuries in the accident, didn't you get letters from trial lawyers offering to sue the other folks and ask for damages (since THEY were at least 20% responsible for your injuries)? Such trial lawyers do not take any money from you upfront- they only take a % of the money recovered. This might make things too messy for you to handle- but give it a thought; sometimes offense is the best defence.
I agree.. you should be suing the other party in front of you for injuries since they were the ones who stopped and as the person said - offense is the best defense .
If I remember correctly the first car in front of you had already collided with the car number 2 and hence all the accidents. I don't know how they can put you at fault . So let the lawyers handle it and go all the way .
Best of luck.
Another thing, since YOU were the one who seems to have experienced most injuries in the accident, didn't you get letters from trial lawyers offering to sue the other folks and ask for damages (since THEY were at least 20% responsible for your injuries)? Such trial lawyers do not take any money from you upfront- they only take a % of the money recovered. This might make things too messy for you to handle- but give it a thought; sometimes offense is the best defence.
I agree.. you should be suing the other party in front of you for injuries since they were the ones who stopped and as the person said - offense is the best defense .
If I remember correctly the first car in front of you had already collided with the car number 2 and hence all the accidents. I don't know how they can put you at fault . So let the lawyers handle it and go all the way .
Best of luck.
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